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Scooter FAQ

1.How Do I Properly Balance the Scooter?
2.How do I properly rinse my scooter after diving in salt water?
3. What should I do if my scooter sticks on while I am diving?
4.How fast can scooters go?
5.Can I make my scooter go faster?
6.Which model of scooter is best to buy?
7.What engine size do I need?
8.How do scooters differ from motorcycles?
9.What are the advantages of scooters?
10.What are the advantages of scooters over automobiles?
11.What are the advantages of scooters over motorcycles?
12.What are the advantages of scooters over mopeds?
13.How do you make 2-stroke scooters go faster?
14.How do you make 4-stroke scooters go faster?
15.How long do the engines last?
16.What kind of transmission does it have and is it electric start?
17.Are these scooters legal in my state?
18.Isn't the handling unstable?
19.How long do the tires last?
20.What kind of maintenance do these gas powered scooters require?
21.Aren't scooters slow?
22.How reliable is my scooter?
23.What should I do before riding my gas scooter?
24.Don't the small wheels on scooters make them unsafe?
25.How many people can ride on the scooter?
26.How hard is it to assemble my new scooter?
27.What is the difference between chain-driven and belt-driven transmission?
28.What is the difference between a gas scooter and a gas powerboard?
29.Do I need to mix my own oil and gas to fuel the gas scooters?
30.What is the minimum engine size needed for highways in the USA?
31.What is a good "beginners" scooter to buy?
32.Which model of scooter is best to buy?
33.What engine size do I need?
34.Should I buy a new or used scooter?
35.Where can I find used scooters for sale?

36.How can I determine the value of an old scooter I have?
37.Does it makes sense to buy "grey market" scooters?
38.Why does the same scooter have different names?


1.How Do I Properly Balance the Scooter?

The best balance for the scooters is to have the batteries positioned in the center relative to the tube walls so that it has no bias. If you want a bias, make it so that your tow strap is on the area of the scooter that ends up on the bottom relative to gravity. This will allow the scooter to tow properly.
The fore and aft balance is best set so that the nose is slightly up when the scooter is hanging free. This will keep it up out of the silt , reef, wreck or other objects below you. It is great to have the scooter neutral, but keep in mind that the compression of the o-rings changes the buoyancy by about .7 pounds, so make the scooter that much positive at the surface, or neutral at the surface. You do not want the scooter floating up around you and tangling, unless you are diving a sensitive area like a reef where you might be catching lobsters, in which case positive will keep the scooter off of the coral. However, watch out and don't let it get behind you if it is positive.
Batteries are always slightly different in weight, the tube walls always have varying amounts of material in them, and different water has different buoyancy characteristics. For those reasons I make the tubes a little longer than they need to be, and I make the bulkheads such that there is room for spacers. The short pack makes no difference, so that one can be made without spaces and still have the nose up attitude, but the others may need different positioning of the spacers in the battery pack. Weight can be added to achieve exact balance.
The packs must end up 1/2 inch below the end of the tube. The lid should be able to fit onto the scooter snug to the tube with no o-ring. That way you know you have to correct positioning of the tube. You want the pack to hold the motor compartment shut tight (it has latches and double o-rings, but still needs to be held tight). You also want all of the stresses of the scooter to be distributed throughout , not concentrated in any one area.

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2.How do I properly rinse my scooter after diving in salt water?

A rinse in fresh water after diving followed by a spray of CRC or WD40 around the area of the seal will do a lot to prevent any problems. You do not have to take the props and clutch off, merely use the little tube that comes with these cans to spray under the clutch and into that area. The idea is to prevent the cone around the seal from reacting with the salt and eating away. Eventually this process will leave the seal unable to hold at its edges, even if the two seal plates are not damaged. Then the whole motor cone has to be replaced, which is extremely time consuming.
An easy way to rinse a scooter is to put it in a fill bin and run it a few seconds (with the pitch turned down). You can also use a hose and force water in under the clutch.

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3. What should I do if my scooter sticks on while I am diving?

If the scooter sticks on for real, as in if the reed switch breaks or the relay welds shut or mechanically sticks, you can stop the blades with your hand and turn the pitch back while you are changing stages or decompressing, and then stop it again and reset the pitch when you want to travel. With the oceanic clutch, this will mean replacing the clutch, a very inexpensive part. With the WKPP clutch, you can do this indefinitely.
If it is sticking on because the magnet is not coming all the way back, just pull the magnet back gently with your fingers. If the trigger is stuck, do the same and then free the trigger. Sometimes you need to check the trigger to be sure it is smooth on the outsides.
The other mechanism of sticking is on is when you get grit in-between the wheel and the leg. Then you need to loosen it so that it does not recur.
If the relay welds shut or mechanically sticks, there is a problem with the motor, so check with George before you ruin your relay.

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4.How fast can scooters go?
In spite of common myth, scooters are not slow by design, unless they are also speed-restricted mopeds. The world speed record for scooters is thought to be held by Marlene Parker of England who in 1965 ran her 200cc Lambretta at over 130mph on a racetrack at Monza, though it was deemed an unofficial time.

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5.Can I make my scooter go faster?
4-stroke engine. By their very nature, 2-stroke engines are much easier to modify for greater power and speed than are 4-stroke engines, though the basic concepts to increasing speed on any scooter are the same. Essentially, All scooters can be made to go faster. First, it's critical to know if your scooter has a 2-stroke or you need to improve fuel, air and exhaust flow. Further, many 50cc scooters (speed-restricted mopeds) can be de-restricted fairly easily also, allowing very noticeable increases in speed. It should also be noted here that typically performance kits void manufacturer warranties. They often also make reliable engines less trustworthy, usually in proportion to the extremeness of the modification. And lastly, if the increase is very large (as on 50cc models, for example), there will be serious issues as to whether the brake and suspension systems will still keep the rider safe at these new higher speeds.

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6.Which model of scooter is best to buy?
A good older classic scooter is likely your best bet. However, if you simply want reliable transportation, a modern scooter may be a better choice, just because they tend to be newer usually. In most cases, larger capacity scooters are usually better than smaller ones.

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7.What engine size do I need?
This depends entirely on what you'll be doing with the scooter. If you plan to do much highway driving, it will be highly desirable to buy the largest engine you can find -- at least 200cc. Around town, the engine may be smaller for most needs. Stock 50cc models really are only best if you will have minimal interaction with automobiles, as they typically have difficulty maintaining speeds much above 35mph, unless they have been modified to go faster. If you will carry passengers, weigh quite a bit or plan to ride up steep hills often, you will also want larger capacity, at least 70cc for around town. All scooter engines typically have a shorter lifespan when they are constantly run full throttle, so you should take this into account also. Lastly, it is always adviseable to have excess engine capacity to accellerate out of trouble and to pass safely. [7/99]

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8.How do scooters differ from motorcycles?
By definition, motorcycles are nearly any two-wheeled, motorized vehicle. Therefore, scooters are by definition simply a specific motorcycle design. This is why in most localities, there are no regulations for scooters per se, and thus scooters fall either under moped regulations (assuming they meet the proper requirements to do so) or by default, they are legally treated as motorcycles. There are a few localities that have specific regulations for scooters, but as these are extremely uncommon and follow no real pattern, they are not covered here. The reason that scooters are commonly not treated as equals in motorcycle circles is simply because they generally are slower and not as performance-oriented as their larger cousins. So technically, all scooters are motorcycles, though usually only scooters that more closely resemble what are more commonly called motorcycles will be referred to as such.

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9.What are the advantages of scooters?
Scooters originated very early on in the development of motorcycles generally to address problems that some felt were inherent to common motorcycle design. Foremost was covering of the engine compartment. This was done to avoid inadvertent contact with hot engine parts, which is a common concern for motorcyclists. This concern went further with the covering of the rest of the body, along with a front legshield, meant to protect the rider from mud, water and road debris that might drift up from the road below. The common step-thru design initially was so ladies could wear dresses without compromising their modesty, but it has come to be welcomed because it allows the rider to sit on the seat much like a chair, instead of straddling the vehicle, as is common on motorcycles. This tends to be a more comfortable riding position for the short distances that most scooters were designed to cover.

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10.What are the advantages of scooters over automobiles?
Scooters as two-wheeled vehicles have all the obvious advantages over automobiles. This would include lower operating costs, as scooters are more fuel-efficient, require less insurance and usually cost less to maintain. They are also easier to park, maneuver in heavy traffic and to store. Scooters are typically much less expensive to purchase than automobiles, and arguably are much more fun to operate. Many who operate two-wheeled vehicles call automobiles.

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11.What are the advantages of scooters over motorcycles?
As noted elsewhere, scooters are actually just small motorcycles. However, there is still a clear distinction between scooters and the rest of the motorcycle family. Generally speaking, scooters have been designed purposely for those that are intimidated by motorcycles, on whatever level. Scooters are easier to learn to ride and often easier to operate.

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12.What are the advantages of scooters over mopeds?
It has been noted elsewhere that many scooters are also legally considered mopeds. In all cases, this will mean they have engine sizes under 50cc. Traditionally, mopeds have typically had larger wheels and exposed engines, though obviously 50cc scooters would not have these attributes. The main advantage of the body panels is protection from the heat of the engine and exhaust. The smaller tires produce quicker handling response. And it's usually easier to change the tires on a scooter over a traditional moped, because many scooters have tires mounted on one side only, like auto tires. Of course, if the comparison is between a 50cc moped and a larger capacity scooter, the advantage of greater power will enable the rider to better maintain traffic speed and to stay out of trouble by accellerating out of it sometimes.

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13.How do you make 2-stroke scooters go faster?
This is typically done by changing to a higher performance exhaust, larger cylinder and piston, larger carb with different jetting, lighter flywheel, water cooling, etc. The first place to start is nearly always the exhaust. Unlike 4-strokes, the exhaust system on 2-strokes is critical to their performance. Removing it will make the scooter sputter and run poorly, if at all. Shape is extremely critical and this will also change the sound (and loudness). The easiest thing is to replace the standard exhaust with a performance one, easily available for nearly any model scooter at any of the larger scooter shops around the world. The standard exhaust typically is a compromise between power and performance at various speeds. Performance exhausts will modify this, for example, by allowing a higher top speed, by sacrificing power at lower speeds.

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14.How do you make 4-stroke scooters go faster?
Like a 2-stroke, volumetric efficiency is the critical aspect to increasing power on a 4-stroke engine. However, the mechanism to achieve the same goal differs. Anything that gets more air and fuel mixture into a motor makes the bang bigger and increases power. So longer cam duration sucks more mixture in, bigger carbs allow better flow, bigger/more valves increase flow, and larger header pipes increase flow (notice the pattern here). Turbos and superchargers do the same thing but they force more in. Nitrous oxide carries much more oxygen than air so by squirting in NOS and more fuel to go with it, again you get a bigger bang. The thing is they all tend to make more power, but further up the rev range (except supercharging and NOS injection), usually reducing power and torque down low, big bores are the only thing that doesnt do this. For further information on this subject, consult the books.

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15.How long do the engines last?
A well cared-for scooter should be able to go about 25,000 miles before it needs a major rebuild. The 50cc two strokes work harder, so I'd think they should be overhauled by 15,000 miles. I have heard of some Helix's running over 100,000 miles.

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16.What kind of transmission does it have and is it electric start?
It is pull start with a centrifugal clutch. The centrifugal clutch is the simplest, most economical way to soft start a motor or engine connected load, and apply full torque on a gradual basis. It will eliminate shock loading, and will protect the reducer, motor, and connected machinery in the event of overload or jam-up. The use of a centrifugal clutch may allow the selection of a smaller motor and/or reducer, thus saving space and money. The clutch is a natural for automatic standby in dual drive applications. A centrifugal clutch does not require outside assistance, such as reduced voltage starters, air, electric or hydraulics.

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17.Are these scooters legal in my state?
The scooters sold on this site are legal in most states. Please check with your local DMV for state specific requirements such as registration, age requirements and helmet laws. In the state of California the gas scooters are sold as a racing vehicles only and as such can be used only at sanctioned racing events and practice.

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18.Isn't the handling unstable?
They are not unstable, but it does take a little while to get used to riding a lightweight machine with small (10 inch) wheels. Then it's second nature. You do have to watch for potholes and large cracks in the pavement, but other than that you should not have any problems.

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19.How long do the tires last?
About 4,000 miles for the rear and over double that for the front.

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20.What kind of maintenance do these gas powered scooters require?
Some basic maintenance is required. If riding regularly, it's a good idea to check all the bolts in the scooter every couple weeks (you can use the wrench provided in the toolkit if adjusting is needed). It's also a good idea to put some chain oil on the chain about once a month. Also, remember to always put the correct amount of 2-stroke oil in with the gas.

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21.Aren't scooters slow?
Speed a problem?? Not for scooterists! If your scooter just doesn't quite fulfill your 'need for speed', there are after-market parts that can give your scooter the quickness you desire. There are 125cc scooters that are nimble in the city and legal on highways. There are also big 600cc and 650cc scoots that are fun for touring highways! There's a scooter out there for EVERYONE.

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22.How reliable is my scooter?
If properly maintained and not abused, they will last a long time, and provide a reliable and faithful ride. Maintenance is pretty straightforward. In general, the Japanese scooters (and most of their motorcycles) are very reliable. That is how they got their great reputation.

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23.What should I do before riding my gas scooter?
First make sure that all screws on the scooter are tightened. They sometimes become loose during shipping. Next, apply chain oil to both the primary and secondary chains. Lubricate the chains before you ride the scooter for the first time each day, after every hour of use, and before you put it away at the end of the day. This will ensure your chains do not stretch or break. Use a 25:1 gas to oil ratio, with regular unleaded gasoline and 2 stroke oil.

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24.Don't the small wheels on scooters make them unsafe?
The answer very simply is a loud NO! Contrary to common myth, the smaller wheels on scooters do not make them noticeably less safe and an argument can be made that this very trait makes them *safer* than their larger-wheeled cousins. Smaller wheels result in greater handling responsiveness, which can keep the scooterist out of trouble more readily. Scooters simply manuever more easily than motorcycles generally. While it's true that smaller wheels are more vulnerable to getting caught by large potholes, you should also know that those same smaller wheels result in more lower end torque, which will more readily pull you out of that same pothole. This is why a scooter of the same engine size can often outperform a motorcycle from a dead start.

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25.How many people can ride on the scooter?
Only one person should ride on all of our scooters, except that two light people may ride on Moped Scooters. Just keep in mind that the maximum load weight for both mopeds is 280 lbs.

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26.How hard is it to assemble my new scooter?
All of our scooters are shipped 94% assembled and with clear instructions to make assembly as easy as possible. Most scooters can be assembled relatively quickly with basic tools. Plus, some of our scooters come with FREE tool kits to make assembly even easier.

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27.What is the difference between chain-driven and belt-driven transmission?
Chain-driven transmission is more rugged than traditional belt-driven transmission, so it can handle all terrain scooter riding.

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28.What is the difference between a gas scooter and a gas powerboard?
A gas powerboard has a wider deck and a lighter frame than a regular gas scooter in order to be used for racing and trick riding.

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29.Do I need to mix my own oil and gas to fuel the gas scooters?
You will need to mix unleaded gasoline and two cycle oil in a 25:1 to fuel the gas scooters and powerboards offered on this site. However, the two stroke gas engines in our gas mopeds automatically mix the oil and fuel for you. Just fill up your tank with the amount of unleaded fuel and 2-stroke engine oil indicated in your scooter manual.

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30.What is the minimum engine size needed for highways in the USA?
Contrary to popular belief, there is no one single standard that governs all federal interstate highways as to minimum speed. Nearly all speed regulation in the USA is done by individual state authorities, and thus there are 50 different answers to this question. In general, you must have at least a 150cc engine to operate on any major highway in the USA, along with the ability to not impede traffic, no matter how fast a speed that may require. In most cases, it's highly advisible to have at least 200cc for any highway driving at all and preferably more.

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31.What is a good "beginners" scooter to buy?
Almost by definition, all scooters are meant for "beginners" in that it's usually very easy to learn how to ride one. Typically, modern scooters are considered the easiest to learn, just because they have electric starters and automatic transmissions. They are essentially twist and go vehicles that take most people about 5-10 minutes to learn. However, even the manual shifting and kickstart of most classic scooters are not difficult to master, given about 30-40 minutes of practice. Of course, smooth shifting will take a day or two to master, but the basics are not difficult. And kickstarting is only a problem if the scooter has not been maintained properly -- it should start by the second or third kick at least, or something is wrong.

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32.Which model of scooter is best to buy?
Of course, this varies widely depending on who you ask. Most of those who already own a particular scooter tend to favor that make and model, just because they've typically fallen in love with it. The better question to ask first is what you want to use the scooter for and what expectations do you have for it. If you want style above all else, a good older classic scooter is likely your best bet. However, if you simply want reliable transportation, a modern scooter may be a better choice, just because they tend to be newer usually. In most cases, larger capacity scooters are usually better than smaller ones. Among those "in the know", the Vespa GS is considered the best classic Vespa, while the PX series has been around for over 20 years now because of its great reliability. A great resource for buying used Vespas is the Vespa Buyer's Guide. The Piaggio Typhoon has also earned a solid reputation. Among Lambrettas, the TV/SX/GP series machines are all considered the best models. Among Honda scooterists, the CH250 (aka Honda Elite/Spacy/Freeway) and the CN250 (aka Honda Helix/Fusion/Spazio) have earned strong followings. The Yamaha XC180 and XC200 (aka Riva) has developed a solid reputation, as has the Yamaha CW50 (aka BWs/Zuma II).

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33.What engine size do I need?
This depends entirely on what you'll be doing with the scooter. If you plan to do much highway driving, it will be highly desirable to buy the largest engine you can find -- at least 200cc. Around town, the engine may be smaller for most needs. Stock 50cc models really are only best if you will have minimal interaction with automobiles, as they typically have difficulty maintaining speeds much above 35mph, unless they have been modified to go faster. If you will carry passengers, weigh quite a bit or plan to ride up steep hills often, you will also want larger capacity, at least 70cc for around town. All scooter engines typically have a shorter lifespan when they are constantly run full throttle, so you should take this into account also. Lastly, it is always adviseable to have excess engine capacity to accellerate out of trouble and to pass safely.

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34.Should I buy a new or used scooter?
Buying new or used usually depends on your budget and what is available in your area. A good used scooter that has been properly maintained in most cases should be almost as good as a new one, though of course you'll usually lose the advantage of any dealer warranties. It is especially critical to carefully examine a used 50cc scooter, as all too often they have been abused the most by straining the engine to the limit much of their life. A good used scooter can have a nearly unlimited life if properly maintained, which will include seals and gaskets, which often disintegrate over time. This is why mileage alone is not a good indicator of condition. There are also common misperceptions about how many miles a scooter engine will require before rebuilding. This is also an issue of how it was maintained and stored. Vespa engines have been known to have an ultimate life of over 100,000 miles and commonly rebuilds are done after about 25,000-30,000 miles. In all cases, as with autos, highway miles are much easier on scooter engines than stop-and-go city driving. Lastly, the downside of buying the lastest scooter models out is that to a certain extent you provide the data on whether this model will be reliable. This is why it might be advisable sometimes to wait awhile or at least buy an established scooter model, in which all the "bugs" have been worked out.

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35.Where can I find used scooters for sale?
Unfortunately, seeking old scooters online is easily one of the worst places, if cost is any factor at all. Those advertising online typically hope the greater exposure will bring a higher selling price. And it's hard to judge actual selling prices from often inflated asking prices ("I heard someone once paid $2000 for a Honda Spree in mint condition!" - yeah, right). One of the best places to shop online right now in the USA at least would be Scooter Classifieds, though you should notice how many ads there are repeated, but with continually lower asking prices (no, most Vespa P200s are not worth $4000 no matter what your Uncle Harry says). Probably one of the better places to look for bargains is in any large motorcycle shopper publication. These often have scooters at decent prices. It also helps to ask local motorcycle dealers, who often know someone looking to get rid of a scooter they no longer desire. You can also advertise yourself in some local publication that you desire to buy old scooters, though if you don't specify beyond that, you will typically be deluged with offers of mopeds in pathetic condition. And of course, you can buy from a scooter shop nearby, as most have old scooters for sale. There are quite a few scooter shops even in the scooter-unfriendly USA. Simply find one of the better websites for your desired make and/or model and search from there.

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36.How can I determine the value of an old scooter I have?
This often comes up when someone discovers an old scooter collecting dust in the back of their garage. Often the person asking this question is hoping it's worth a lot, because somewhere they heard "they get a lot of money for these old scooters these days". Maybe and maybe not. In actuality, most old scooters collecting dust aren't worth much as they sit. The value is proportionate to the condition, desirability and marketability of the scooter. Condition means things like if it runs (easily the *most* important issue!), whether all body parts are intact, if there is rust present, if the fuel has turned to varnish, etc. Desirability means how much in demand a certain scooter model is. Contrary to many novice opinions, various scooter models by the same manufacturer will often fetch widely varying prices in the same condition, just because knowledgeable people greatly desire some models and spurn others. For example, among Vespa scooter enthusiasts, the GS, SS, Rally and P200 models are most in demand and the Allstate, Sears, VBB and other models with smaller engines (150cc and below) are least desireable. Likewise, those looking for Lambretta scooters typically want a 200cc Series III model (TV, SX or GP) and are least interested in smaller engines (150cc and below), LDs or smaller Li models. Those seeking used Honda scooters typically are most interested in the Helix/Spazio (CN250), Elite/Spacy 250 (CH250) or Elite/Spacy 150 (CH150) and are far less interested in the smaller engines, like anything 125cc or less. Yamaha scooter fans most often want a Riva/Cygnus 180 or 200 and typically are least interested in the models below 150cc. Lastly, marketability is a large factor in selling price. If you have a desireable scooter in good condition, but don't find a reliable way to contact interested buyers with ready cash, you will necessarily get less money when selling. The best way to judge potential selling price is to ask a number of people knowledegable about your scooter model. Short of that, you making at best an educated guess.

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37.Does it make sense to buy "grey market" scooters?
The term "grey market" is widely misunderstood. It has nothing to do with the expression "black market", which refers to illegal sales of an item. The "grey market" is the LEGAL sale of an item that is not officially sold in that locality, for whatever reason. In the scooter world, this will include any scooter not sold new by dealers. For example, as of early 1998, Honda has not imported the 250cc Foresight into the UK, so dealers there sell it strictly "grey market". This represents an unknown strategic decision by Honda, since it is sold elsewhere in Europe. There are many reasons why scooter companies fail to officially import their vehicles, but in most cases it will be because of a lack of interest sufficient to justify whatever expense is involved. Scooters get into the "grey market" by one of two paths. The first is when an individual personally imports a scooter that was not officially imported and then later sells it, including to a dealer. In this situation, the individual is personally responsible for all safety and emission regulations being followed (the scooter may have to be modified for this), as well as custom duties. The second path is when a dealer officially imports USED scooters that were never imported new, but this latter method only works when the scooter would have been legal when new, even though it was never officially imported. Therefore, if a new scooter is not legal for import to a country, then only an individual will be able to import it.

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38.Why does the same scooter have different names?
Scooters are marketed all over the world by companies often very far removed in language and culture from the localities in which they are trying to market their products. As a result, they often market under a different company name, allow a local distributor to market under their own local name or simply re-name individual models for that locality. For example, Her Chee Motors (Taiwan) markets scooters under the Adly name around the world. Yamaha (Japan) also markets using the name of their wholly-owned subsidiary MBK (France). Piaggio (Italy) markets scooters under the Vespa name, it's wholly-owned subsidiary Gilera (Italy) and it's own name. Piaggio also recently allowed it's former licensee LML (India) to use the Vespa name, though that licensing agreement ended in 1999. Innocenti (Italy) sold scooters under the Lambretta name, but then also allowed use of that name by it's licensee Serveta (Spain). SIL (India) bought the tooling from Innocenti and continues to produce Lambretta scooters. QingQi (China) has allowed their scooters to be marketed as Kasea in the USA, which is the name of their unrelated USA distributor (who now appears to be marketing scooters under the Kasea name from Korea).
Additionally, manufacturers market the same model in varies countries with different names because it just helps to sell more scooters. Some names just don't sound as good in other languages. The best known scooter with this situation is the Honda CN250. In the USA, it is called the "Helix", in Japan it is the "Fusion", most of Europe calls it the "Spazio", while in the UK it's simply the Honda CN250. Likewise, the popular Honda scooters called "Elite" in the USA are called "Spacy" everywhere else in the world, except for the CH250, which is called the "Freeway" in Japan. Further, the Honda NS50 is sometimes called the "Tact" and other times the "Vision", while the SRX50 and SRX90 are called the "Joker" in Japan, but marketed as the "Shadow" in Europe. Honda also marketed the "Aero" in the USA, but has called it the "Lead" (pronounced "Leed") everywhere else. Yamaha has done this also, as the SH50 "Razz" in the USA is called the "Mint" elsewhere, just as the CW50 "Zuma II" in the USA is the "BWs" everywhere else. The popular "Riva" line in the USA has been called the "Cygnus" in Europe regarding anything over 125cc. The smaller "Riva" line was the "Beluga" in Europe. And so it goes.

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